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Ramon Llull: Medieval prophet of computer science

Discovery

BBC

Science, Technology

4.31.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2019

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Philip Ball tells the story of Ramon Llull, the medieval prophet of computer science. During the time of the Crusades Llull argued that truth could be automated and used logic over force to prove the existence of the Christian God. It was a dangerous idea that got him thrown into prison and threatened with execution but today he is hailed, not as a prophet of the Christian faith, but of computer science. Philip Ball talks to historian Pamela Beattie of the University of Louisville in Kentucky about Ramon Llull's life and times in 13th century Catalonia, and to mathematician and Simonyi Professor for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, Marcus du Sautoy, about the legacy of Llull's ideas in combinatorics, a branch of mathematics that explores how we can arrange a set of objects. Note: Many thanks to Carter Marsh & Co for the recording of mechanical sounds. Picture: Ramon Llull, Credit: SebastianHamm/Getty Images

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0:40.0

I'm Philip Ball and today on Discovery from the BBC I'm here with another story from the history of science

0:48.0

today the visionary Raman Lull

1:00.0

Imagine Raman Lull. Imagine you had a theory that allowed you to deduce every true thing about the world. Automatically, as if churned out by a mechanical device. A sort of science of all sciences,

1:11.0

a key to the way all knowledge is rationally ordered. What would you do with

1:19.3

it? Well, you'd best be careful. Around the end of the 13th century, a European called Ramon Lull believed

1:28.4

that he had worked out such a theory, and it didn't do him much good.

1:33.9

Because of it, he was lynched,

1:36.7

thrown into prison, and threatened with execution.

1:41.6

That's because, for Lull, the proper use of a theory like this was to do God's work.

1:50.7

To prove to everyone using pure logic alone that the Christian God was the only true God.

2:01.0

Lull can easily sound like a fanatical medieval crackpot, a man who during the time of the Crusades

2:08.6

had an almost suicidal determination to convert the Islamic world in North Africa to Christianity by means not of

2:17.2

longbow and broadsword nor even a fire and brimstone preaching but of mathematical charts and tables.

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