Hello, Ramblers, Andy here. Welcome to another ramble meets. I really enjoyed doing this

one. It's with one of my childhood heroes. Yes, one of the guys from that great Wimbledon

team who won the FA Cup, although he went on to greater heights afterwards. It's John Scales.

He was thrown in at the deep end in the post-Dave Bassett era at Wimbledon, which he tells us

about and how he got through that. How he became an England centre-half. How he ended up playing

for one of the most exciting Liverpool teams of the 90s. It's all in there as well as the

work he's doing now with Fair Game to make the game a fairer place and look forward to

its future. He's very interesting and engaging on all of it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. This

is Rambler meets John Scales. So if we do take it all the way back to the beginning, John,

when was the point where you realise at Leeds that being a professional footballer might

be a genuine possibility? Gosh, football was never anything that I'd given any serious

consideration to in any shape or form. I loved sport. I played all sport. I played golf.

I was a good athlete. I played rugby. We didn't really play much football at school. But

I loved football. I played every single minute of every single part of the day that was

possible. Before school, break time, lunch time, next break, after school, kick about in

the park. I loved my football. But it wasn't struck. I played a bit of Sunday football

or whatever. It was only when I left school that I, a great friend of my mums, lived next

or 20 grade, lent over the fence so the story goes and said, look, John's left school.

He's a good athlete. He's playing football for the county. I went to Leeds. I was a fish

out of water in many ways. As I was when ultimately I ended up at Wimbledon three years later or

so. But at Leeds, I think the penny dropped for me when I switched from playing as an attacker

as a centre-forwarder or a winger. I remember the day. I don't remember that much about

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