This is Death Sex and Money from WNYC. I'm Anna Sail.

And this week, I want to share something with you that our colleagues over at Radio Lab

have made. For kids, it's a podcast series called Terrestrials, and it's all about finding

wonder, comfort, and rebelliousness in nature. We're going to share a little bit of one

of my favorite episodes of Terrestrials, and a conversation I had with Lulu Miller, the

co-host of Radio Lab, who led its creation. When we talked, she told me the podcast

comes from a very personal place for her. She's a new-ish parent herself, her kids are four

and one and a half, and during the first phases of the pandemic, when the world seemed to

be breaking down. Lulu found herself looking to nature for answers. She was surprised, though,

that this led her to make a show for kids, because she told me before having them herself,

she really felt like she didn't get them. I was the youngest in my whole extended family.

I did not babysit. I did not know what kids were. I was really creeped out and intimidated

by kids. So I had massive questions on if I would know what I was doing, if I would like

it, if I could do it, big, big. What's a kid? Questions. Were you someone who always knew

you wanted to be a parent? I did. Yeah. There were certainly times where I thought maybe

it wasn't going to happen, because I was single in my 30s and then fell in love with

a woman. I think I always knew I wanted to. There were moments where I was like, oh,

is this not going to happen? Then it did happen.

What did you notice how parenting and parenting specifically during a pandemic? Did you notice

it change your creative appetites in your work?

Hugely. Yeah. I think it's been the biggest creative shift in my life. I think I went

into it. I had kids somewhat late. I was 36 once I got pregnant. I went into it with

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