Brabia, do you even drink alcohol? Are you, do you drink?

I'm a teetotaler. No, I don't drink alcohol. And probably I should start.

You're a smart woman. You're a smart woman. I mean, really, is alcohol ever worth it? It's not worth it.

No, you're so, actually, I want to quit alcohol. So you're an inspiration to me.

Oh, well, listen, I just turned 50. And I'm like, I've worth it. No, you're so, actually, I want to quit alcohol. So you're an inspiration to me. Oh, well, listen, I just turned 50 and I'm like, I've made it past all, in five decades without it. So I can get through the next couple without. You can. I cannot. I cannot without my chai to me. Well, have your chai. Rabia Chowdry is here. You all know her famously. And I told you, Robia, the first five minutes of this interview, I'm going to blow smoke up your ass. But you know her famously for the Adnan Said case,

her longtime friend who is now free from all the work that you have done. And Rabia, I have my

podcast career to thank for you. So if you had not reached out

to cereal and made podcasting the enormous success, honey, I wouldn't be sitting here full-time

podcasting. So thank you. Well, here's the funny thing. All of us are our podcasting careers,

not to me, but to Sarah Kainag. Because when I reached out to Sarah, she did not have a podcast.

She had this American life. And it was a radio show. And then they said when after they, she spent a year working on the case, she was like, I think I'll turn this into something called a podcast. I'm like, what is that? Right. Back then. I mean, my, my podcast is eight years old. And I always tell people the first three years was brutal because people didn't know where to find it, let alone advertise on it. Forget it. They were like, like, how do you do advertising? How do you make money? My parents don't understand. Like, how do you make money? No, people don't. People ask me that to this day all the time. They're like, they think it's a hobby. So they're like, okay, so what are you doing for work?

Like, what do you do for work in L.A.?

And I'm like, no, I have a full-time podcasting business.

And they're like, yeah.

Yeah, but you don't, it's almost like YouTube.

You know what I mean?

People like really, although I think they understand now how people make money off YouTube, but it's still

in its infancy podcasting. Which, by the way, I still don't understand. So you know what? I have

grace for the folks who can't figure out how to make money on podcasting. And what my favorite

are people who have said to me in all earnestness out of love, probably because they just want

to show some connection,

but they actually don't know anything about cereal or my own podcast, is that I watch your podcast

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