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Welcome Parish Orphans and Retrogrades to another installment of Rules for Retrogrades here with Dave and Tim Gordon today. I feel like I've been saying this a lot. Rules for Retrogrades brings you an exciting guest.

I'm particularly excited about this guest because this is my buddy, a dear old

pal of mine from the early days of being in, not Catholic podcasting, but Catholic publications,

Catholic media, Mr. Stephen J. Rumsberg, an old buddy, legitimately one of my oldest buddies. How are you doing today,

bud? Hey, buddy. I'm good, Tim. Good to see you, Tim, Dave. Thanks for having me on.

Good afternoon, Stephen. How are you? Doing great. You? Good. I like how we were pretending we haven't

been talking for the last hour before this. That's what you do when you podcast.

You pretend that you just saw the guy.

When we interviewed Thomas Pink, Dave, very, very smart, respectable, fancy Oxford gentlemen

and Cambridge gentlemen, we actually were, it was that formal, but many of the

other guests, we've been shooting the old bull around for a long time. And Steve, Steve really is

like a BFF. And actually, we became friends. Boyfriend, forever. Not a BF, a BFF. We came friends

through being mutual authors on the imaginative conservative.

For a while, they had us as senior contributors, Steve, you and I.

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