It's Monday, December 22nd, 2025 from Peachfish Productions.

It's the gist.

I'm Mike Peska.

And today on the show, I am going to talk about a guy who's been on or with a guy who's been on many times,

talking about what he usually writes about, which is the environment, a lot about Latin America. His name is Kiko Toro. He contributes to persuasion, some other publications. I'll plug his substack. When I say what he usually writes about, I didn't know, but he was writing a book on the side about charlatans, which very much is about what's going on right now, everywhere in the world. But Kiko, who I adore.

And actually, I was looking at the slate of guests who are on this week.

And it's Kiko.

And we have Thomas Chatterton Williams.

And then on Christmas and the day before and the day after, we're going to do some of the best funny you she mentions.

It's really all guys I adore.

I don't know Roy Wood Jr. that well.

I don't have interaction beyond the one interview we did.

But everyone else are people I adore and they look at the world differently and they say the

things that they see and that's what I love about them.

So Kiko and this, there is a part in the interview where I pull in the idea of charlatanism and environmentalism.

And Kiko is not one of these global warming, quote, deniers.

He is the kind of person who is even more realistic, I think, than the people who are most dumerish about global warming.

I don't think that's particularly realistic.

And one of the guys that I wanted to talk to him about was on the show, Bill McKibbin.

He's a seer of the environmental movement.

But it was always wrapped, as McKibbin put a lot of our concerns like global warming on the map.

It was always wrapped in this concern about

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