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The podcast. Yes. Thank you. See, we're a little off our game right now because we are not in our normal studio. We're actually in Detroit right now. We're on tour. We're in the first leg of our tour. It's super fun going well. But we do have an interesting podcast for you. We do indeed. indeed, but it might be more efficient if we go back to New York where Sorin Wheeler is standing by, because he and I had a conversation with someone, we can just, yes. Yeah. Do you want to carry it, Saurin? Sure. Do it. So today we have a story of an obsession that swallowed reporter Dan Engber pretty much whole.

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Of all the things to catch your attention, how did this happen to pop into your head?

It happened to pop into my head because I was talking to a friend of mine who's an elementary

school teacher, and we were discussing Quicksand, as one does.

Oh, of course.

This elementary school teacher and I, and she just said, you know, the kids in my class just don't even, they don't, they've never heard of quicksand. Like second graders, third grade, like what? Nine year olds? Nine year olds? Well, that's like fourth graders. That's prime time for quicksand. Right. When I was nine, quicksand was a major part of my life. We would pour water in the corner of

the sandbox and say, oh, it's quicksand. But your teacher's friend's students didn't. Right. But so I went

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