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Greetings, dear listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant Podcast, brought to you

by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media. Delighted to have you guys here. Delighted to be back in

Washington after a pretty grim week last week. Delighted to have a first-time guest on this

podcast that we wanted to have for a very long time. He is a colleague of mine at AEI, he's an AI

fellow, but he has been working night in day opening up the Paris satellite office of the American

Enterprise Institute. He also was recently announced to be a Guggenheim fellow, which sounds really

cool, and I think that means you get to skateboard inside the Guggenheim, which everybody's always wanted to do.

He's a contributor to the Atlantic, and he's going to be a visiting professor at Bard. His most recent

book is Self-Portrait in Black and White, Unlearning Race. And our guest is Thomas Chatterton Williams.

Thomas, welcome to the Remnant. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure. I think there's a good

good place to start, and just me asking the questions I'm curious about, because again, we haven't had

to have been able to have lunch in the dining room at AEI or anything. Why are you in Paris?

That's a good question to start with. My wife is French. There's a kind of joke that all of us

Americans tell each other when we run into each other. Also non-Americans, just anyone non-French

who's living in Paris, when you meet, you say, how did you end up here? And inevitably, it's never

for work. No one moves to France for work, unless maybe you're Mark Jacobs or something and you

work in fashion at a certain level. Otherwise, you move to Paris for love. So my wife is French,

and I moved here in 2011. So it's been a little while. Wow. But now I really consider myself more

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