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The Audio Long Read

Putin, Trump, Ukraine: how Timothy Snyder became the leading interpreter of our dark times

The Audio Long Read

The Guardian

Society & Culture

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2023

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Historians aren’t supposed to make predictions, but Yale professor Timothy Snyder has become known for his dire warnings – and many of them have been proved correct. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/longreadpod

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:30.0

The Guardian of our Dark Times by Robert P. Baird.

0:48.0

Last September, seven months after Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine,

0:53.0

the Yale historian Timothy Snyder took a 16-hour train ride from Poland to Kiev.

1:00.0

Snyder knew the city well.

1:02.0

He'd been visiting since the early 1990s when he was a graduate student

1:06.0

and the newly post-soviet Ukrainian capital was dark and provincial.

1:11.0

In the decades that followed, Kiev had grown bigger and more interesting.

1:16.0

And Snyder, who is now 53, had become an imminent historian of Eastern Europe.

1:22.0

On disembarking at the Kiev Pazarjursky station,

1:26.0

he found the city transformed by war.

1:29.0

There were sandbags everywhere, concrete roadblocks and steel hedgehogs

1:35.0

designed to stop Russian tanks, air raid warnings blared from phones and pockets and handbags.

1:43.0

Not everything was unfamiliar.

1:46.0

The first months of the war had gone relatively well for the Ukrainians,

1:52.0

a fact that surprised many observers but not Snyder,

1:56.0

and by September, Kiev was no longer an imminent danger of occupation.

2:01.0

Life, while not normal, was regaining some of its pre-war rhythms.

2:07.0

You could get a haircut at a barber shop, or hear stand-up at a comedy club,

2:12.0

or sunbathe on the shores of the Nipar River.

2:16.0

Snyder had come to speak at an annual conference,

2:20.0

a part of the European strategy, yes, which was founded in 2004 to promote ties with Europe.

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