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Matter of Opinion

Putin Is ‘High Off His Own Propaganda Supply’

Matter of Opinion

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Ross Douthat, News, New York Times, Journalism

4.27.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2022

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

This week, an antiwar protester interrupted a Moscow broadcast with a sign in Russian reading: “Stop the war. Don’t believe the propaganda. They are lying to you here.” With the Russian government promoting propaganda on news channels and most recently passing a law to punish people spreading “false information” about the Ukraine invasion, it’s been hard to distill what is actually going on in both Russia and Ukraine right now. The confusion has resulted in what Masha Gessen recently described as parallel realities transpiring in Russia and an outright denial of war in Ukraine. So how can you make sense of what is true in our world of information, especially when anyone can use propaganda not only to change your mind but also to overwhelm you? Jane Coaston talks to the Soviet-born British journalist Peter Pomerantsev to talk about propaganda and how those in power — and the everyday person — use it to undermine the fabric of society and our collective understanding. Pomerantsev is a senior fellow at Johns Hopkins University and the author of the 2019 book “This Is Not Propaganda.” He talks to Jane about Vladimir Putin’s mythmaking and propaganda machine and how we as information consumers can make sense of what we know as truth.

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0:00.0

Today on the argument, has Putin's propaganda machine been overestimated?

0:09.8

I'm Jane Poston, and I've thought a lot, a lot, about propaganda.

0:15.8

Back in college, I wrote a history thesis on Nazi propaganda before and after the battle

0:19.4

of Stalingrad.

0:21.0

Nazi propaganda was intended to show both German greatness and Germany's vulnerability.

0:25.9

Its inherent need to strike out against those who would do it wrong.

0:29.6

Invading Poland, Ed Hapen murdering millions, a self-defense mechanism.

0:34.4

Of course, none of this was true, but an entire ministry existed within the German government

0:40.6

to tell the German people that not only was it true, but anyone telling them otherwise

0:45.4

was an enemy.

0:46.4

Well, now it's 2022.

0:49.9

And the idea of propaganda, what it is, what it isn't, and why that matters, seems increasingly

0:55.0

important to me as Russia's war in Ukraine continues.

0:58.0

And weirdly, even though propaganda has changed a bit since 1943, the propaganda used in

1:03.6

this war sounds awfully familiar.

1:06.4

The Russian government keeps using terms like do not suffocation to justify its invasion

1:10.4

of Ukraine.

1:11.7

One American academic even argued that the war reminds him specifically of Stalingrad,

1:16.1

the very battle I spent years of my life, and many cans of monster, obsessing over.

1:22.4

Now at the goal of some propaganda isn't just to change your mind, it's to overwhelm

1:26.2

your brain.

1:27.4

And propaganda can be and is used by anyone.

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