All right, Alexander, let's talk about the One Belt One Road Summit taking place in China.

Putin is there.

Lavrov is there.

Orban is there.

The only European leader or the EU leader to go to China, which is pretty incredible when you think about it. The only one from

the EU to go, you would imagine that all the EU leaders would be there or send someone to

this to this summit. But that's where we are in the world. Anyway, a big summit taking place in

China while the rest of the world seems to just be crumbling,

it seems, or at least the collective West seems to be crumbling. What are your thoughts?

Well, I'm going to put it slightly differently. I'm going to say most of the world is not going to be in Beijing

talking about this particular conference

and the part of it is crumbling, which is the increasingly marginal part, which is the West. Of course, they're staying away. I mean, once upon a time, and not very long ago, one person who you would have been expected to see in Beijing at a conference like this, for example, was the Prime

Minister of Greece. I mean, Greece made a very serious effort to work its way into a good

relationship with China to build up its role, the role of Greece and the Belt and Road,

port of Piraas, as we know, was partly owned by China for a time.

So, you know, it was the kind of thing that Greece would once upon the time have attended.

Now, of course, we are not attending it.

And it's not in our interests, in my opinion, to stay away.

But in some ways, it simplifies things.

It clarifies what's going to happen. And I think that we are

starting to see gradually the evolution of the belt and road. Now, Putin gave a monumentally vast

interview to the Chinese media before he travelled.

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