Put Up or Shut Up

Blood is Thicker: The Hargan Family Killings

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Tv & Film, Society & Culture, True Crime

4.1 • 965 Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Detectives compare how the evidence found at Mark Stover’s house measures up to Michiel Oakes’ version of events. They discovered cell phone records, witnesses, and surveillance video that painted a more premeditated picture. Get early, ad-free access to episodes of Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. The series is widely available everywhere else you get your podcasts. Subscribe to 48 Hours+: https://apple.co/4aEgENo To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	In 2009, three days before Halloween, a grisly crime stunned the seaport town of Anacortis, Washington.
0:08.0	Mark was known as the dog whisper of Anacortis.
0:11.2	They soon discovered a story tangled in obsession.
0:15.4	Who was the hunter and who was the hunted?
0:18.3	Follow and listen to Train to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress,
0:22.9	and the bodyguard on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:32.0	Did you set out on the morning of October 28, 2009, to murder Mark Stover.
0:38.3	I most certainly did not.
0:40.3	In the wee hours of October 28, 2009,
0:45.3	Michael Oakes was seen on Linda Updike's surveillance footage,
0:49.3	getting in his SUV and leaving.
0:53.3	Why were you going to Stover's house at 2.30 in the morning?
0:57.0	I was driving there to be there at a pre-arranged time, a time set and demanded by Mark Stover himself.
1:05.0	And what did he say the purpose of this visit was going to be?
1:09.0	It was put up or shut up time.
1:11.6	I was supposed to have obtained the wedding pictures that up till then I could not find,
1:16.6	and I was supposed to deliver them to him or else.
1:21.6	And the else is what?
1:23.6	My children were frequently mentioned as the else.
1:26.6	So I sent my children to stay with my parents in case it didn't go well.
1:33.1	As Michael told it, Mark instructed him to park about a quarter mile away from his house
1:38.7	at the same church where they had met four days before.
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