Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Psychedelics. This is Joe Moore coming here from

Breck and Ridge, Colorado. Today on the show, we have Kim, Deereen. Kim. I met over at

beautiful conference in Arizona a few months back.

And we had a really fun time chatting, getting to know each other,

and really just interested to record a podcast as soon as we started chatting.

So we did it.

And this is it.

It took only a few months.

And yeah, we get into kind of like the relationship to cannabis, different kind of relationships to plant and plant materials and entities and yeah, just different ways of knowing. So, you know, hold on. This isn't your normal kind of clinical podcast. We get into a lot of other ways of knowing, sensory apparatus, like feeling, interior perception, et cetera.

And I think there's some valuable stuff here.

So, yeah, Kim's got a longstanding relationship with cannabis and pretty deep relationship to some plant psychedelics now too.

So, you know, we cover a lot of ground. So the conference was trailblazers. And there's a

trailblazers event coming up in New York. I wish I was going. And also in Ohio, California.

I wish I was going to that too, but too many things on the schedule.

So I'll be back to Trailblazers for sure.

Just going to take me a minute.

So all right, everybody, I guess we'll run some ads and we'll get into the podcast

and we'll see you on the other side.

Thanks for tuning in, everybody.

Horizons, BBC, producer of the largest and longest running annual gathering of the

psychedelic community in the world, is producing the 15th Horizons Perspectives on Psychedelics

Conference in New York City this fall. This five-day psychedelic learning event will take place

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