Hello, everybody. Welcome back to psychedelics today. Today on the show, we have Jim Fateman.

Really excited about this one. Jim Fatiman has been around in the psychedelic scene

for about as long as anybody else. And I was certainly early in the LSD culture of California

wrote the book Psychedelic Explorer's Guide. And it's possibly the book I recommend most out of any other book

in the psychedelic landscape. And I really, really feel strongly that people should be reading

that one. There's so much good history here and, you know, precautionary stuff. Beyond that,

let's see, Jim is popular for popularizing

microdosing. He's also popular for discussing creativity research and much more,

kind of a careful steward of the scene and just always a lovely person to chat with.

Oh, maybe most importantly, a co-founder of transpersonal psychology.

He was there when this whole thing played out.

And we get into a bit of the history here. I'm sure there's a

much bigger history we could do here. The amount of people who don't know about Anthony Soutich

or Tony Soutich is kind of crazy. But there's minimal publicity on this person. And he was there

in the early days, the formational days of transpersonal psychology,

along with Stan Groff and a few others.

So that's probably it.

But I loved this interview.

It's really thankful that Jim joined us and hope you all learn something.

You know, it's a really funny topic, this microdosing thing.

There's so much confusion that we keep seeing studies that say, oh, it's bad or, oh, it's good.

And there's a lot to this conversation.

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