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🗓️ 15 July 2025
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Why can’t you quit your bad habits, no matter how hard you try? And are you ready to uncover the crucial missing link?
Josh Trent welcomes Dr. Jud Brewer, Neuroscientist and Psychiatrist, to the Wellness + Wisdom Podcast, episode 758, to reveal how your survival mechanisms hijack your mind, why willpower is NOT the key to quitting bad habits, and how understanding habit formation rewires your brain for lasting change.
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"Changing a habit is not about willpower. We don't really have willpower. What we do have is awareness. We can't think our way out of a habit because that's not how they form. We have to feel our way out." — Dr. Jud Brewer
"Addiction is habits. And the behavior that we have is driven by feeling unpleasant and we want it to go away. Often we get this brief relief but it's actually perpetuating the cycle. And it's just feeding the want of wanting to feel better instead of meeting the need for connection. We're just putting band aids upon band aids because we don't know how our brains work." — Dr. Jud Brewer
"We're all hallucinating our world. We're generating our world. We're creating a story of the world every moment that is based on our past experience." — Dr. Jud Brewer
Dr. Jud Brewer, MD, PhD, is a pioneering psychiatrist and neuroscientist whose breakthrough fMRI studies first revealed how mindfulness training quiets the brain’s default-mode network, linking reduced self-referential thinking to improved attention and emotional regulation.
His lab has mapped the neural circuitry of craving and habit, demonstrating that mindfulness-based interventions can halve relapse rates in smoking cessation compared to gold-standard behavioral programs.
With over 15,000 citations to his name, Dr. Jud continues to translate cutting-edge neurobiological insights into transformative strategies for mental health and habit change.
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0:00.0 | If you want to change a habit, it's not about willpower. We don't really have willpower. |
0:04.9 | What we do have is awareness. We can't think our way out of a habit because that's not how they form. |
0:11.0 | We have to feel our way out. |
0:13.4 | Dr. Judd Brewer is a New York Times best-selling author and thought leader in the field of habit change. |
0:19.5 | How does this relate to addiction? It's really about just seeing, oh, these are habits. |
0:22.6 | And the behavior that I have is driven because I feel unpleasant. |
0:26.6 | I want to make that go away. |
0:28.6 | Because often we get this brief relief, but we have to see that that's actually perpetuating the cycle. |
0:32.6 | And it's just feeding a want, which is I want to feel better, |
0:36.6 | instead of meeting a need, which is I need to feel better, instead of meeting a need, |
0:38.2 | which is I need connection. |
0:40.3 | And then we get addicted to that because we're just putting band-aids upon band-aids upon band-aids |
0:45.5 | because we don't know how our brains work. |
0:47.0 | Because if we don't know how our brain works, how can we possibly put our brain to work for us? |
0:52.8 | And the only way to change it is to... |
0:58.0 | So, people are doom scrolling at a rate maybe we've never seen before. And you said something |
1:05.2 | recently in an interview that just rocked my world. You said, shame is a habit loop. Self-flagellation feels better than doing |
1:13.2 | nothing. How does that relate to our addiction with phones right now? Oh, it's everything. |
1:19.9 | You know, shame feels bad. Doom scrolling numbs us out. And so it feels better than beating ourselves up. |
1:29.1 | So we do it. |
1:30.0 | So you can see that shame feels better than doing nothing. |
1:34.2 | Doom scrolling feels better than feeling ashamed of ourselves. |
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