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Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name is Robert Lam.

And I'm Joe McCormick and we're back with part four of our exploration of psychedelics. Robert, have we ever made it to a part four on any series on the show before?

I don't think we have really. I mean, there have been cases where we've had like an informal series where each episode is more or less self-contained.

So yeah, I can't think of one off hand that has been a four-parter. On the other hand, we could have gone to eight parts on Dune, maybe?

Well, maybe. Certainly there are so many topics that we could have divided up more or we could have dwelt on greater length.

This one though, I mean, the curious thing is I feel like we've gone in fairly deep, but we still are only providing like a basically a surface outline and everything, you know, and leaving lots of room for listeners to then go out and explore topics and portions of this topic in greater depth.

Well, yeah, with rich subjects like psychedelics, I guess especially anything dealing with the mind, you run into the problem that the deeper you go, the more you uncover that you should, you know, like you're always just opening up more cases instead of closing them.

Right. It's like saying we were going to do an episode on consciousness. Yeah.

You could sort of do an outline episode of it. And I imagine we've probably done episodes that are essentially that in the past, but ultimately consciousness is an ongoing series on this show in the same group said for a number of different topics.

But hey, if you're just jumping in, you should probably go back, listen to those other episodes. First, we did psychedelics parts one through three before this, where what do we talk about Robert?

Well, we talked about what psychedelics are and also what drugs are. We talked about how psychedelics factor into traditional societies, how they factor into ancient and modern history, and ultimately how they factor into both the hopes and fears that individuals and groups of individuals have had for humanity's future.

Yeah. And so in the last episode, in part three, we focused a lot on the 20th century and how there was research in the 1950s and 1960s looking into how psychedelics could be used in say psychedelic assisted therapy for treating conditions like alcoholism, how a lot of psychiatrists in the 1950s saw its potential as what they considered a psychodomimetic meaning that it would mimic the conditions of psychosis that would allow them to empathize with their patients.

But then of course, it turned out to be something rather different than just mimicking the effects of psychosis. And then we talked about sort of in the mid 60s to about 1970 where the wave crashed psychedelic research encountered a lot of backlash. And for several decades, it sort of was forced into the underground.

And it's only in recent years that it's experienced a resurgence and that's what we're going to focus on today.

Yeah. Now I do want to throw in just a quick note that I don't want to leave anybody with the idea that all psychedelic research ended with Nixon's control substance as active 1970 and then didn't pick up at all until after the 90s.

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