“PROJECT 2025” with Skye Perryman

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

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🗓️ 30 July 2024

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Project 2025, technically the 2025 Presidential Transition Project, is a set of sweeping policy changes to be enacted on Day One of the next conservative administration. If Trump wins, that’s January 20th, 2025. Skye Perryman is one of the project’s leading opponents.

She’s the president and CEO of Democracy Forward, a non-profit that promotes democracy through court cases, lobbying and education. Washingtonian magazine named her one of this year’s Most Influential People Shaping Policy and her legal work has been cited by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Skye and Josh debate what really matters in the stoush over Project 2025 and what Trump Round Two might look like.

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0:00.0	Gahy, humans.
0:03.1	Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas, and here are a few dangerous ideas for you.
0:08.4	Imagine a tax office employee who refuses to audit and investigate the president's political enemies on spurious grounds.
0:22.0	And imagine that person being legally fired and replaced with a party loyalist to do the
0:27.6	president's bidding.
0:29.6	Or imagine a civil engineer who blows the whistle on a dangerous shoddy new bridge that's
0:37.1	been commissioned, being fired by the governor
0:41.7	who wanted to claim credit for the bridge and that firing being legal and the governor just
0:47.0	installing a civil engineering hack or a political appointee to say the right thing about the
0:52.9	dangerous bridge. Or imagine a
0:54.9	efficient game warden who enforces rules around fish catchers being fired by a politician
1:01.2	who couldn't get the rules changed and just wants to punish whoever disagrees with them
1:05.2	and install people who don't enforce the rules. These are the kinds of things that happen
1:09.0	in authoritarian and corrupt countries
1:11.6	and critics of Project 2025, say these are the kinds of things that Project 2025 could allow
1:17.5	a future Trump administration to do. I wanted to unpick this, unpack this, understand what
1:23.7	Project 2025 is. If you've never heard of it, this will be a good primer.
1:31.1	If you have, I hope this will answer any questions that you might have about it.
1:36.4	The conversations around the conversations that we have on this podcast are taking place on Substack.
1:37.3	I'm really grateful to see people chime in and giving me their thoughts.
1:42.1	I really appreciate it, and I'm going to start using Substack comments more. If you didn't hear the Tim Minchin episode, you absolutely must. It's one of
1:49.7	my favorite episodes for two and a half hours. I speak with the Olivier Award winning,
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