Project 2025 – What's coming next from the new 'deep state'?

The Bunker

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News, Politics, Society & Culture, Government

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🗓️ 24 April 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Donald Trump spent his last campaign distancing himself from Project 2025. But since returning to office, he’s followed its blueprint with surprising precision. It's already reshaped American life and the workings of government – but could the most dramatic changes still be ahead? Today on The Bunker, Jacob Jarvis sits down with David A. Graham, author of The Project, to explore Project 2025 and how its authors’ growing influence could shape the future of the Trump administration. • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to https://Indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit. Buy The Project: How Project 2025 is Reshaping America and the World through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund The Bunker by earning us a small commission for every sale. https://bookshop.org/’s fees help support independent bookshops too. www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Jacob Jarvis. Producer: Liam Tait. Audio editor: Robin Leeburn. Managing editor: Jacob Jarvis. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:30.1	Hello and welcome to The Bunker. I'm Jacob Jarvis. Donald Trump constantly insisted that Project 2025 was nothing to do with him during his last election campaign. But since coming into office,
0:35.1	he appears to have followed it relatively methodically. While this
0:38.9	has warped American life and the US government already, are the biggest changes yet to come.
0:43.7	My guest today believes that Project 2025's top goal is still to be achieved. David A. Graham is a
0:49.5	staff writer at The Atlantic who covers politics and national affairs and the author of the project,
0:54.1	how Project 2025 is reshaping America and the world. David, thank you for joining me today.
0:59.3	Oh, thank you for having me.
1:00.6	David, can we first of all take a moment to take stock of just how much of Project 2025 has been
1:06.7	accomplished so far? Can you give me, I don't know, a sort of percentage term, if it was a loading
1:13.2	bar of how much it's been completed? I've been trying to think about that, and I think it's hard to
1:17.8	do, partly because it's such a mix of things. There's a kind of broad cultural project. There's a
1:23.6	project to reshape the federal government and how it works. And then there's a whole series of little policy goals, sometimes big, sometimes small.
1:31.3	And so to encapsulate that all, I think, is tough.
1:34.4	But I think we are well on the way to the reshaping of the federal government.
1:38.2	I think the broader societal change is still on the horizon, but these are all parts of making that happen.
1:43.7	What do you think has been the most consequential thing so far of the tangible goals that
1:48.8	they've achieved? I think the reshaping of the federal workforce is it. I mean, we've seen
1:53.7	thousands and thousands of government workers laid off. We're seeing departments closed or attempted
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