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Hello, at the end of the century approaches at a gallop now, we can hear the trumpets

tuning up.

But as man has grown in years and knowledge, has he also progressed in terms of happiness

and a sure understanding of the human condition.

Those who argue that it was enlightenment which gave birth to the idea of the possibility of progress.

The biblical account of time which had held until the 18th century was replaced by a conceit which put man, not God, at the center of the story of progress.

But do we still believe in that story? Have we reached at the end, have we reached what's been called the end of history and the culmination of man's evolution

was the Argentinian writer George Louis Borkez right when he said, we've stopped believing

in progress, what progress that is.

With me to discuss this is Antnew here, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Bradford,

an author of After Progress, finding the old way forward,

and the psycho analyst and writer Adam Phillips who's

author of Darwin's Worms which has also been published recently and you're

here can we define terms of little here progress is such a huge concept. Do you want to differentiate between material progress and moral progress?

Yes, I mean obviously over the past few centuries there's been immense progress in science, in technology, in medical developments, material comfort generally,

and also in peaceable and democratic arrangements.

And I think in a way, the Enlightenment, the European Enlightenment, has developed

and extended this idea of progress so that it moves into other areas where I think it's

more questionable.

According to the Enlightenment, negatively, what we have to do is to get rid of superstition,

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