Radio that makes you think, this is the Brian Kilmageau.

There's no intelligence that points to this being naturally occurring.

There's no intermediary host, you know, all of our signals intelligence,

all of our human intelligence.

None of it points to that this was some naturally occurring, you know, virus.

And so, you know, unfortunately, many of us in the intelligence community

that were there at the time really felt like the Wuhan Institute of Erology

was more than just a probability it was always close to a certainty.

And I still feel that way having seen all of the intelligence.

And if, you know, I would hope that the Biden administration would move

to declassify some of the intelligence that I think will would establish that point.

And then why put the other report that you say that the Biden administration sponsored

not interview key people if you wanted to find out the origin of the virus?

That's part of the reason that we love talking to Josh Rogan,

who looked at the web, the, the lab leak theory right away and wrote about it

and chaos under heaven, Trump, she in the battle for the 21st century.

Josh, welcome back.

Are you surprised and inconclusive conclusion from the Biden study?

Hey, Brian, thanks for having me back.

Actually, I'm not surprised at all because it seemed clear from me from a get-go

that the Biden administration was trying to do the bare minimum

to say that they had investigated both possible scenarios for the origin

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