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Welcome to a very unusual live recording of TheRestist Politics with me, Roy Stewart.

And me, Arshtekamal. And for those listeners who, you know, would like to imagine what we are,

we're sitting in a jazz studio. In SoHerm, we're being looked at by the very remarkable Gary

Linnaker. So we're all feeling rather kind of glamorous. Really, I'm feeling quite glamorous.

You feeling glamorous? No. No, not feeling glamorous. Gary Linnaker doesn't feel glamorous.

Last summer, I've been here before because this is where we interviewed Helen Clark. That's it.

Well, you were doing the line. Yeah. But it's quite cool. Yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how

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