This is John Bachelors. I spoke with my colleague Colonel Jeff McCauzzon in United States Army

retired CBS News about the damage Progozons done already. The unknowns are ahead of us,

where Progozon is, what he's negotiating for, is plain darting around Moscow. But the

damage he's done to the Army, to the confidence in the leadership of the Army, and the doubts

in the Kremlin by Progozons' demonstration of disloyalty. Here's Jeff.

No, I think it's absolutely correct, John. And once again, following the example of urban

rumble, it wasn't his direct participation necessarily in that particular plot. It was his knowledge

of that, what he was convicted of. And I doubt very seriously, by the way, that Mr. Seroviken

will be given the option of committing suicide. But it'll lead that test of loyalty down to the

officer corps that Mr. Putin may well pursue. And he has to do this, I think, because the one

thing that I thought was most damning about Progozons' efforts was not necessarily the march on

Moscow. That was these, you know, for family-laden, volatile videos that he would publish. And the most

recent one, prior to the March North, undermined the entire legitimacy of the war, pointing out that

there was no threat posed by Ukraine, that there were no Nazis in the Ukraine, that Russians

efforts to demilitarize Ukraine had actually occurred in the opposite direction. And pointing out

to the Russian people that while the elites in Russia had their children either outside the

country or avoiding conscription, there were those who were not in the elites that were being

sent off, having their children sent off, to be butchered on the front lines with very poor

equipment, very poor training, and very poor leadership. So the undermining of that legitimacy

makes this attack by Progozons that much more important. And then furthermore, of course,

it really raises the question, how in the name of goodness could anybody imagine that the Russian

army is going to integrate the Wagner group and those Wagnerites who accepted into the Russian

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