This is John Bachelor, conversation with my colleague Salina Zito of the Washington Examiner in the Wall Street Journal about J.D. Vance, the man from Middletown, Ohio.

However, his grandparents, his mother's parents, his summers were spent in Kentucky and he thinks of himself as Appalachia.

Middletown is on the edge of Appalachia. There are 423 counties in Appalachia.

People from there identify with it. You're either trying to find a place for yourself in Appalachia from Mississippi to New York, or you're trying to get out to remember Appalachia.

And Salina puzzles about the attempt by the governor of Kentucky and the Bishir who's the son of a governor raised in privilege

to challenge whether or not Jettie Vance is from here. Of course he's from here. His grandparents

are from here, his summers were from here, his dreams are from here.

Selina explains, Appalachia, people from Appalachia, know it and they're pleased with it.

Selina Zito, much more later tonight.

Well, that's the curiosity and then that's, and it makes no, it makes little send to a geography professor who has taught about Appalachia his entire career.

And he found the entire thing very curious because why would you take

or try to strip away someone's sense of place.

Place is very, very important in the history of American,

whether they kept moving because of opportunity or because of ambition.

Or if they stayed in that same place

that their father's father, you know, first settled in.

There, you're often always still identify and in place.

And that's what Kentucky Governor Andy Bashir did to JD Vance when he was

announced that he was going to be the vice presidential pick.

And I could think of many reasons why

She is a Democrat.

He's very ambitious.

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