This is John Bachelor speaking with colleague Katrina Venenhove, the editorial director and publisher of the nation magazine about Ukraine.

Katrina observes that both parties in this election are accepting the fact that Ukraine war cannot continue.

Negotiation, settlement, ceasefire, both parties.

We want one more than the other day to day,

but there's new information all the time.

And Katrina introduces us to why close out Ukraine why suddenly this is Katrina Vanenhoel

nation magazine commenting on what she understands is talk of negotiation everywhere.

More of this later tonight.

But John, the problems, I go back to Donald Rumsfeld, something I don't usually do,

as one was in the Iraq war there was the

discussion of old Europe and New Europe. New Europe has its need. Some of it is

revanchism and vengeance in the Baltics.

It is the case that the Prime Minister of Estonia,

now the foreign minister of the EU,

is very hawkish.

Orban is a different cat. but I do think that there's less territory for

on keeping going the war. Even Zelensky in an interview with Truding Rubin of the

Philadelphia Inquirer about a month ago

admitted the war can't go on forever I think there's more of a sense now that you want Ukraine and quote the strongest possible position for the inevitable

negotiations and there has certainly been a flurry whether it's Geneva

where Russia wasn't present or Istanbul playing a role or China every other week there seems to be some kind of new peace agreement.

I do think after this election that will be focused on that because I don't usually by Newsweek, I in an airport but they had an interesting story about

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