This is John Batcher, conversation with my colleagues Bill Rajo Foundation for the Defense of Democracy and his colleague,

John Hardy of FDD, looking at Ukrainian battlefield and the use of Ukraine's resources, striking at arsenals deep inside Russia,

yes, launchingly cursed salient to draw Russian troops, yes, except, as Bill asked John, are they very carefully managing what

resources they have to maintain the battle front as Russia is pressing very hard across the frontier but especially

in pockets in the south.

John answers in a very careful fashion to say that Ukraine is doing the best it can because there's no

offensive plan for now or for the spring. Here Is John Hardy on analyzing what appears to be Ukraine losing

inch by inch drone by drone? More of this tonight.

So for the drones that Ukraine produces itself. of this is an ideal use for them

the crimes that Ukraine produces itself this is an ideal use for them

that along with striking critical infrastructure has been another goal

I think you know that we, the question is still out on whether that was successful, but striking people is a perfect mission for them. And so it's great to see them have success with that. I think if you look at Ukraine's use of its Western provided missiles,

for example, the attack comes that Ukraine's been using

to strike Russian air defense systems in Crimea and elsewhere in occupied Ukrainian territory.

You know, one could debate on whether that's a great use for the missiles given that Ukraine

doesn't really have any prospect of launching a ground

offensive in southern Ukraine or anywhere along the front lines and so there's there's not a broader

objective to tie that that strike campaign into so I think that's a fair

question to ask of whether those resources should be husband for next year or year or in case Ukraine is able to launch another

strategic offensive it could use those long-range assets to support it I think

that question gains even more importance given that, you know, with uncertainty surrounding the election, we don't know the level of future U.S. support.

So I think Ukraine does need to, husband it's at its assets, you know, given the

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