This is John Batcher, conversation with my colleague Gregory Coppley, Defense and Foreign Affairs

in Perth, Australia about NATO and the Ukraine-Russian War.

Gregory believes optimistically that the war will be over soon enough and that we don't have

to concern ourselves with the states, the frontline states that are most anxious, fearful, frightened of Russian aggression.

However, there is the event that Mr. Trump will not be successful and that Ms Harris will be successful. And at that point what is the policy

towards the Ukraine-Russian war as it escalates, new salients, new stabs at Russian cities, new barrages over Kief and over Moscow.

Here's Gregory Kappley on the options or the choices or the direction of the escalating Ukraine-Russia

conflict, NATO feeding weapons into the system all the time. More of this tonight.

There are some of them including Finland and Norway and Sweden and the like and Poland who are paranoid about Russian and Soviet and now Russian again intent on

their on their sovereignty. So they are naturally nervous and want to bring NATO back as a tight

military organization capable of defense. I think this is all going to be over before it

gets too much worse unless we see the Harris-Waltz ticket win the next U.S. presidential elections and then it might

be up for grabs again because I don't believe they have a coherent strategic policy toward either

Russia or for them out of China, people's public of China or NATO itself other than to do the opposite of what former President Bush has been advocating.