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This is John Bachelors. I speak with Tonya Brannigan tonight. Her new book is Red Memories.

This is the story of the red guards told from the point of view of the survivors,

not just the victims, although they were all victims of craze thinking,

but also the perpetrators of the red guards who were teenagers at the time,

and their memories are clouded by decades of regret,

sentimentality, and also not able to access the complete story, because they're often still in

China, or have escaped from China and then returned. The red guard's story is yet untold to the

Chinese people, a learned from Tonya Brannigan, and this particular moment is when one person

who's very young, a young woman, witnesses horror that she can't shake from her memory, decades later.

Who's Tonya?

And so as she sees this man bleeding on the ground, she realizes

as she looks that there is an entire baseball court full of corpses, a whole,

a whole number of people who have clearly been beaten to death by red guards.

And what was most striking perhaps was that even speaking about that, all those decades later,

it was clearly something that was profoundly traumatic and very real for her even in that moment.

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