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This is John Bachelors speaking with my good colleague Bob Zimmerman about the revelations

from the James Webb Space Telescope for more than a year now, discovering complex and never

before imagined galaxies very early following the Big Bang.

This challenge is the Big Bang theory entirely and it is not a minor matter we read from

the reports in science magazines.

It is a major matter.

The question is, do we need new language?

Do we need new physics?

It is not enough to tinker with the standard model.

These galaxies that we can glimpse, some more than 13 red-shift, are complex, they're

birthing stars very early within 350 million years of the Big Bang.

Is the Big Bang the beginning?

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