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This is John Bachelor, speaking with my colleague Gordon Chang about two small sand dune

dominated islands off the coast of China. Known as Kinmen, one of them is.

And in the distance you can see the People's Republic of China,

the towers of an industrial city, shallow sea water

off the coast of these rolling sand dunes. I learned from Gordon that this is the

infamous Kimoy and Matsu Islands of the Eisenhower administration. I'm told by Rebecca Grant a colleague of ours that in the 1950s the world

almost went to war over Kimoy and Matsu. Today it looks like Sand Dunes and it doesn't come to

anything more than threats from the People's Republic of China. It's Taiwanese territory and as Gordon explains it

wouldn't take much for Shijinping to take them over so why not? Why the

provocations, why the threats. Therein lies a tale. Here's Gordon

Chang to explain. Having walked on Kimoy and Matsu once upon a time, what's it like? More of this later tonight.

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