This is John Batchelor, conversation with Eric Berger of Arst Technica.

The space correspondent has followed Elon Musk from the very beginning of SpaceX.

Knows the story extremely well.

What is next? knows the story extremely well.

What is next?

Building towers, the chopstick towers,

so that the super heavy coming back from space

can be captured with the chopstick refueled and ready to go again with a new

Starship put on top of the stage.

It's a fantastic vision, but right now, Eric explains how many towers need to be built for the initial phase of testing,

and then how many more towers and where to put them,

and how to manage all this for the ambition of getting a million people to Mars in Elon Musk's lifetime.

It's impressive.

Here is Eric Berger of Arse Technica, the man who first followed Elon Musk for Falcon 9 back when.

And follows the story very carefully. I recommend Eric's piece,

first and foremost, about SpaceX's achievements.

Well, right now, SpaceX and Elon have talked about two towers in Boca Chica,

South Texas and they're also building two launch towers most likely at Cape

Canaveral in Florida or one at one in Kennedy Space and unlikely one at Cape Canal.

So two in Texas, two in Florida.

And then when they really get going,

there is talk of offshore launch towers, which

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