This is John Bachelor, a conversation with my colleague Anatole

Leaven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, about the new name

in the Kremlin cabinet, Bialausif, new to me.

He is an economist, however, he's given the portfolio of the Ministry of Defense, why?

To what end?

And until it describes very carefully how Bialusif has been given a big and important task.

Re-industrialization, the same word we hear from NATO, from the United States in this building contest

between global superpowers. Re-industrialization. He's Anatoliven, Quincy Institute on Bialuusaf, the new Minister of Defense, and what is to be done.

More of this later.

Trying to rebuild Russia as an industrial economy because of course Russia like the other former Soviet

republics, you know Russian industry almost

collapsed in the 1990s and you know despite repeated promises by Putin has

not been you know restored as nearly as much as it you know

could have been or as Russians wanted well Gellusif is dedicated to that.

But, I mean, in some ways, I mean, more efficiently, no doubt,

but this will be a return to the Soviet-style economy. I mean with many more consumer goods

imported and also produced, but also with military industry at the very heart of

the Russian economy.