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this is John Bachelor conversation with my colleague Mary Kessel, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State, now Executive Vice President Stevens Incorporated, commenting on the reports that Russia is looking for negotiations with Kyif about no longer

attacking energy sources, Kyif's electricity, Russia's oil facilities.

However, there's also the mention now and again

that Mr. Trump is successful in the presidential contest will seek to end the war in Ukraine. Can he bring

Moscow and Kief to the same table? Mary comments on that, comments also on how the Trump administration dealt with aggressors such as Vladimir Putin and

a phrase that Mary used at State Department to describe how hard it was to take anything

Russia says as fact. Is Mary Kistle reflecting on her time at State with Mike

Mumpay, looking to the Trump administration if successful,

and how they will handle Ukraine.

Much to learn.

Here's Mary.

Well, certainly you can't trust anything that Russia says so I think it's well I think it's of course good to engage in in talks if you believe there's any chance of some sort of agreement on things like maintaining energy supplies into the very very cold winter that's about to descend on the region.

By the same token, you just cannot trust what the Russians say.

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