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PREVIEW: REAGAN: CARTER Tonight's extended conversation with Craig Unger will explore his new book "Den of Spies" investigating the controversial "October Surprise" allegations. The discussion centers on claims that Reagan campaign manager Bill Casey orch

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 December 2024

⏱️ 2 minutes

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Summary

PREVIEW: REAGAN: CARTER

Tonight's extended conversation with Craig Unger will explore his new book "Den of Spies" investigating the controversial "October Surprise" allegations. The discussion centers on claims that Reagan campaign manager Bill Casey orchestrated a secret deal with Iran regarding the timing of the release of 52 American hostages during the 1980 presidential campaign between incumbent Jimmy Carter and challenger Ronald Reagan.

This complex historical question spans four segments tonight, examining Unger's decades-long investigation into what he describes as a clandestine operation involving intelligence operatives, political figures, and international intrigue that may have influenced the outcome of the 1980 presidential election.

The conversation will delve into Unger's evidence and reporting that led him to conclude the Reagan campaign had engaged in back-channel negotiations with Iran to delay the hostages' release until after the election, in what would have amounted to private citizens conducting unauthorized foreign policy.

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0:00.0

This is John Batchel, conversation with my colleague Craig Unger, the author of a new book,

0:06.1

Den of Spies, Reagan, Carter, and the secret history of the treason that stole the White House.

0:12.9

This is the October surprise, and Craig publishing all the details over 30 years, is still getting

0:19.9

information.

0:27.4

And he tells us here that it's just coming in, and no one has moved to refute the information he's already published.

0:29.7

The October surprise, the election of 1980, the understanding between the Reagan campaign, led by the very famous Bill Casey, super spy,

0:43.6

with the Iranian regime, that the hostages would not be released before Ronald Reagan was president.

0:52.9

That is the October surprise that the Reagan campaign believed would decide the election for

1:01.3

President Carter.

1:03.7

October surprise.

1:04.7

Here's Craig Unger explaining what's happening now in 2024 about the October surprise.

1:15.2

More of this later tonight. Yes, it is. I mean, I got a wonderful call from Portugal just yesterday with some new information on this. And it's,

1:22.0

you know, everything confirms what I, anything I've gotten confirms what I've reported.

1:29.7

And I think what's amazing is that since publication,

1:35.4

no one has challenged, to my knowledge,

1:37.8

challenged a single fact that I've reported.

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