This is John Batcher, conversation with colleague Ivan Stradner of the Foundation for the Defense of

Democracy about the repeated instances of Vladimir Putin threatening to widen the war, sometimes talking about nuclear weapons, sometimes

talking about war on NATO. What does this mean? Where does it come from? Why does Putin continue

to make threats?

And how are those threats heard in Washington

and Brussels, the headquarters of NATO?

This is Avonestradner, commenting on Putin's threats,

sometimes Lavrov's threats, and in additional detail

the threats of the leader of Serbia, Vuchitchitch and the leader of Hungary,

orbit, why the threats? And where do they come from? More of this tonight. Here's

Avana. Actually, Bo leaders claim that there will be escalation that will result in World War III.

They were peddling, you know, Moscow's rhetoric.

And you're right, that their actions, how they act, do not mirror what they say, because they are truly just peddling Russian

rhetoric related to the fear of escalation.

And both leaders actually claim, you know, that this will be a catastrophic, that a global conflict.

So they're reading from a script.

They're given us.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

It's purely pro-Krambling script that you can, that you can hear from most good that is actually used by people such as Wuchichton or urban.