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This is John Bachelor. Conversation with Professor Jim Holmes of the US Navy War College

about China's capabilities in the war between the People's Republic of China and the United States in the future maybe.

The capabilities once upon a time did not include first-rate anti-submarine warfare.

My understanding is our submarine fleet, the attack boat fleet, and especially the

ISSTNs, the converted Ohio class to containing several hundred cruise missiles, Tomahawks. That is the best weapon

against the Chinese predators. However, can they be found? What are the

vulnerabilities of the SSG ads and Jim here speaks to that fact

China developing anticipating confronting provoking a predatory state

unpredictable yeah I think that I think a predatory state unpredictable.

Yeah, I think that's probably still true.

I think it's probably less true than it was at the time that you mentioned.

China's applied itself to this problem, not only in terms of trading at

trading as personnel to detect and hunt submarines but also but also

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