This is John Batchel, speaking with the author and colleague Jonathan Ward.

The Decisive Decade is the book, American Grand Strategy from Triumph Over China.

Here, Jonathan identifies the battle space, not kinetic warfare, but industrial warfare.

He identifies how China is prepared. People's Republic of China

is at war with the United States financially, economically, industrially. And the weapons will be employed

include tariffs, embargoes, price cutting, anti-dumping laws. You understand. Jonathan

identifies it here. The decisive decade. Jonathan Ward, more of this later tonight.

Well, I think this is going to be a very, very important piece of the 2020s. I mean,

the battle space is going to be economic, and that means that its fundamental

operators are going to be the companies. I mean, we're going to have, I think, a corporate

battle space where, you know, China has already brought its own corporations into its national

strategies. I mean, many of them are state-owned, and if they're not state-owned, they certainly

must respond to the-party members sitting on the boards.

Exactly.

I mean, the state can tell them what they can and cannot do pretty readily.

So they've built that system where they can utilize companies and therefore utilize their

economic power, not only the China market for strategic industries and advanced technologies,

but around the world to carry out their economic strategies worldwide.

Okay.