This is John Batchel. Coming up later on the show, a conversation with the scholar Jonathan Healy of Oxford University, his new book, The Blazing World, but the origins of what we take for granted as the right to rebel against a tyrant, a king. In this instance, this may be the origin of no taxation without representation. A response to

the king in the 1620s, needing money

to conduct his wars. This is before the English

revolution, before Cromwell, before the blazing world.

And Charles needed money.

And Parliament wouldn't give it to him,

so he just demanded it, said, I'd pay you back.

He also jailed his enemies.

Parliament didn't like that either,

especially a scholar named Edward Cook. Here's Jonathan Healy to

explain the origin of what becomes rebellion in the 18th century in a place called the colonies.

Well, I mean, ultimately he's upset. Fton was a soldier under Buckingham's command.

And the late 1620s, which, you know, I hope sort of come across in the book,

it is a sort of formative and really exciting and really interesting and quite sort of intense

period of political struggle.

And the, it's all going on against the background of two

very, very badly run continental military expeditions, one against Khadiz in Spain, which ends in disaster,

followed by one to Larachelle in France,

where they are supposed to be relieving sort of Protestant rebels against the Catholic French monarchy,

and it all just goes disastrously wrong.

And they're both run by Buckingham, who's in charge of the Navy.

And they both, you know, they both fail because there's a lack of funds.

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