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This is John Bachelor, conversation with my friend Malcolm Holine and our conversation with

Halid Abutoma of the Gatestone Institute who is very well informed of the West Bank for many years

the Jerusalem Post correspondent watching the Palestinians and here he deals with the international furor about the Hamas war

recommending a two-state solution from the 20th century,

recommending ceasefire, recommending Palestinian leadership, and

Halid who is extremely well-informed of all the players is And here's Halid Abutoma from Jerusalem writing for Gatestone Institute and other

distinguished publications.

Yeah, no, no, it's so pathetic.

I mean, it's just the way they're, I think with Gaza, the Ukraine, I mean, it's just so ridiculous.

And it's just so ridiculous and it's just really upsetting.

David what is your what is your speaker how what are you a phone? Is that it?

Yeah, I'm on an iPhone. Is it okay?

I turned off the video because I wanted to...

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