This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I am Gaius and Germanicus is here.

We go over endlessly in the Tudorburg Forest. It is the defeat of defeats

meant to instruct all emperors and all generals and everyone who aspires to be either.

About limits, about humility, about not taking your enemy for granted, especially

your enemy when he's on your team and commands the auxiliary cavalry. Tudaberg Fores

happened under Augustus, 8 to 11, about 8 AD, our calendar, and it was a massacre of three Roman legions.

A man named Varus led it, he committed suicide. Everybody died. The Germans made it very clear

you will not cross into Germania.

That's the limits of your expansion.

This is Augustus' time.

What is that lesson for the American Empire, especially when it comes to Ukraine?

How do you see it, Germanicus?

I see it as a powerful lesson. I see it as a powerful lesson on three levels. First level is Roman expansion. Rome after the triumph of Gaius Julius Caesar and Gaul, and his celebration of that in his own memoirs,

a political track more powerful even than mind comp,

which was the de bellogallico,

which catapulted him into dominance in Rome.

That became like a model for Romans, a lightning rod

for Romans who wanted immediately and forever to live up to his model, just as Greeks and Romans

wanted to live up to the deeds of Alexander. And so what you

see with Rome in the generation after Augustus, I mean, after Caesar and the civil wars, once Augustus

was ensconced, the expansion eastward continued.

In fact, Rome's expansion into Germany very much mirrors NATO expansion.

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