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This is John Bachelor.

Later on, a conversation with the author Russell Shortow, his book Small Time, a story of

my family and the mob.

This is Johnstown, Before Second War and after and how the mob worked to connect the cities

so that the money kept flowing and there was discipline and how it worked in Johnstown.

He describes it very carefully.

The mob, before the Second War, how it earned money, how it reported on itself, how it was always

looking to the big bosses.

Russell Shorto.

Yeah, Johnstown was connected to Pittsburgh and then Pittsburgh was connected to New York.

That's the way, you talked about, you mentioned the structure of it, it's interesting it's hard to grasp

because there was a structure but it wasn't you know it wasn't hard and fast it was

always fluid but that was the basic you know the small city fed into the bigger city, which fed into, you know, the mother city.

And that's the overall operation. As you say, they, once they were setting up their operation in town the base of it was a place called

City Cigar which was two doors from City Hall and the front of it was a

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