This is John Bachelor, conversation with Ben and Ben-Tallelu, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy is a good colleague about Iran and Russia, trading technologies, for example, Iran selling drones used in Ukraine to Russia, Iran selling missiles used in Ukraine

to Russia is the report.

What about Russia selling Iran nuclear weapon technology mentioned by the Secretary of State in

2003. Unknown is what Benham calls it. Here's Benham to Tellub to explain what we know now about Russia and

China exchanging technologies. More of this tonight.

There was the fear. You can look back and find it. CNN reporting of U.S. intelligence officials fearing that

Iran was turning to Russia for nuclear technology. Fast forward now. You have even Anthony

Blinken in September of 2024 just this month

expressing that same fear. So I think a a unknown known if you will is to what degree will the

will the Russians be midwifing Iran's attempts to weaponize or

cross that line because the more of the Islamic Republic absorbs the huts and the hits from the

Israelis who are trying to push back on this multi-front war that the Islamic Republic has

foisted onto them.

And the more Iran understands it is conventionally outgunned

and it's already mastered the asymmetric threat,

well, it's going to have to go and double down

on the other side of that spectrum and that is the imperative

of getting a weapon grows stronger and stronger and is made sharper and sharper in the minds of

the Ayatollahs and if they have great power support for it from the Russians, well

then that's a recipe for disaster.

I'm glad you mentioned Moscow.