This is John Batchelor. There's a scene in the book, Wireless Wars, China's Dangerous

Domination of 5G and How We're Fighting Back by Jonathan Pelson. I always think of that scene whenever I hear

a new toy, a new opportunity, a new driving domination idea from Awe. Right now it's the Huawei phone.

Going to replace the iPhone throughout Eurasia.

Cheaper. Strong.

Especially in China, where it can be controlled.

No matter that it surveils you wherever you are,

it's the iPhone from Huawei. So I think of

the scene in Jonathan Pelson's book, which he here describes, where Huawei is revealed for

what it is. There's a woman in the scene who's extremely powerful.

Here's Jonathan Pelson, wireless wars.

This is early 21st century zone in the People's Republic of China.

If you're thinking of the Huawei phone, enjoy this scene.

Much more later. The woman's name is Madam Sun Ye Fang. Who is she? And when does she walk into the room? Yeah. So, in fact, Colin Golder,

who had stood in front of that room, several, many years later, is called in the Saudis,

we're trying to get China to start buying their oil.

And one of the Saudi ministers, really up at the top of the royal family, called Lucent,

which was now what AT&T's division, equipment division was called, and said, you know what,

you guys are doing this huge build out of the Saudi telecom network.

You're building out all the equipment. Why don't you get Huawei, this Chinese company,

to help you on the project. So help them put a bid together and submit it to us.

It was charity. It was charity. It was just trying to, you know, grease the skids to get China

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