This is John Batstra, in conversation with Colonel Richard Kemp, who writes for The Times,

a column, London Times. In Israel, these last six months for the conflict, I spoke with Colonel, along with my colleague Malcolm

Honeline about the situation in Europe regarding Israel, but then we got to the situation

in Gaza where the Colonel spent a great deal of time

consulting with the government and with the IDF and his measure of what comes

next is very clear Raffa. He explains it here what the conditions are,

what the expectations are, and why Raffa is important, the Raffa operation. As of this moment it is not on but is there a date? The

Prime Minister says there is a day to launch the operation. Colonel Richard Kemp, columnist for the London Times in Israel,

speaking about what must be done. Well I think I think the only circumstance to

ceasefire should be contemplated by Israel is of course if

Hanana rendered and lays down its weapons that's very unlikely to happen. Secondly if there is a deal which is currently being negotiated and not looking

very optimistic on potential surviving hostages and there's a question mark over how many are still alive.

Other than those two things, I don't think Israel should contemplate a ceasefire.

Israel should reject the peace fire by President Biden or Prime Minister Sunak or anybody else. Israel has to go into Raffer.

It has to deal with Raffer.

I think that's one of the War Cabinet members over here.

Said if you don't go into Raffer it's like putting out

80% of a firing garter and of course that makes no sense.

A massive last stronghold is in Raffer and it's got to be dealt with it's not going to be pretty but it's got to be

done there's really no substitute for that meanwhile the idea if withdrew I think a

significant number of its troops from Gaza in the last few but they seem now at least I think a significant number of its troops from Gaza in the last few, but they seem now at least, I think, in brigade strength to have re-entered Gaza and are carrying out offensive operations in Central Gaza, and of course a continuing raiding

Pware in the in the strip as well as I think in the last day or so some pretty

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