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offer ends December 3rd, 2023. Open to UK and N.I. Guardian. This is John Batcher. Conversation with Victor Davis-Hanson of the Hoover Institution about Ukraine.

Victor looks at the facts that we have of the spring offensive that has come to halt in the winter weather of Ukraine. And he looks at the

prospect of breaking through the Russian line in the new spring and he looks at

the casualties building up in the Ukrainian side, a much smaller state

to begin with now shrunken by emigration, people fleeing the rockets and the missiles and Victor observes it's time to stop the

bloodbath. Here's Victor. Yeah I think that Ukraine was pressured by its allies to have this spring and summer offensive and in anticipation of that the Russians built this huge kind of marginal line of minefields and concrete and wire and drones and

unfortunately Ukraine which was vastly outnumbered in terms of manpower and

wherewithal like a ram beat its head against this thing and couldn't

not break through and suffered an order amount casualties. Under that calculus of

death for every casualty they suffer Russia suffers too and in the long

one Russia would win at that ratio and I think that's what we're witnessing so there

has to be some negotiation over the Crimea and the dome baths and then maybe discussions

about whether Ukraine should not be in NATO etc and so I think it's it's it's

800,000 casualties dead wounded and missing some people have

suggested I think it's that it's time to stop the blood back.

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