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This is John Batcher speaking with my good friend Simon Constable writing for the Wall Street Journal.

Simon speaks of 15 years ago right now, December 2008, burning Madoff, commenting on Madoff then, Mado's leftist at the age of 82, he died in jail.

And Bankman freed now, what do they have in common?

What have we learned in 15 years of a

multi-billion dollar fraud in 2008 during the market crash and a

multi-billion dollar fraud in 2022, 2023 during a crypto crash.

Here's Simon.

Jim Lovell is the one whose sayings are the most famous famous mostly because it was his job to talk to the ground control during the hour or so after they fired their rocket engine, their upper stage engine in Earth orbit, and left Earth orbit heading to the moon.

And he talked about how we could see the entire Atlantic, including Africa and South America and the United States in one shot.

He said he could put his thumb across the entire earth.

He also said it was kind of like being in a tunnel watching the bright exit of the tunnel it's

receding from you because the only thing that was bright or colorful anywhere to be

seen in the sky was the earth and that was bright and as it moved away and got smaller

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