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This is John Bachelor.

Conversation with the author Martin Whittick, his new book American Vikings,

How the North Sailed into the Lands and Imaginations of America.

Lee Ferguson is the man of around a thousand in the common era. The mystery is he names

landing places how you land Mark, and Vineland.

Vineland is not found, I learned from Martin, and he explains where it might be.

As far south as, as far west as, still looking for Vineland, associated with grapes. That is a clue. It may be a

good clue. Here's Martin to explain. Much longer conversation later on this day.

American Vikings.

But there is, nevertheless, there's strong evidence from the sagas that it was grapes that they were talking about.

They certainly said, we found grapes. and the possibility is that maybe the

fox grape or some other form of wild growing grape now that's not going to be found

alongside self-sewn wheat north of New Brunswick. We could be talking about

Maine, we could be talking about further south in the coast of New England. So although our

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