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This is John Batcheler, conversation with Janice Trafflet, who with her colleague Robert Wright have written

Fearless Wilma Sauce and America's forgotten investor moment. Wilma was a pioneer from the 40s, 50s, and 60s at attending corporate

meetings, stockholder gatherings that had been seen up to that point as unnecessary.

The company was going to carry away all the profits and you didn't show up as a shareholder.

You sent no one.

The celebration, about Wilma Sauce was she pushed back. We have

Nelson Pelt's today pushing back at Disney. We can only imagine how Wilma would treat

Disney's conduct these last years

disappointing conduct. Wilma's sauce. Janice Treflit gives us a picture of

Wilma in full flame in her 60 if she's now past 60 and still the terror of

corporate America. Here's Janice. Both and you start seeing in some academic journals at this time advice by some in PR to corporations on basically how to handle the Wilma problem is the way they would weigh in that in hallways and around the water

coolers like how do how do we as the board and as CEO of a company handle people like Wilma, we're going to ask us tough questions at these board meetings.

Board meetings, there used to be very few people that attended board meetings, and now suddenly that board meetings are being more well attended and often by investors who you know

want to demand some answers particularly the company is not doing well either profit-wise and or on the ethical front.

And meanwhile, Wilma Soss is getting a greater and greater voice and in some ways is adopting somewhat more aggressive tactics and in some cases the companies at the annual meetings when they feel like they've heard enough of Wilma have turned

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