This is John Bachelor.

Emmanuel Macron, the President of France, twice elected,

always in the news, traveling to Brazil with Lula de Silva,

speaking of the possibility of introducing NATO troops to Ukraine,

making long phone calls to Vladimir Putin early in the war,

and then making sharp remarks about Vladimir Putin late in the war, always in the news. This is a conversation

with Sophie Petter, the French Congress Bennett in France for the Economist magazine. Her book as McCrone was getting ready to run for his second

term. He's in it now. He's term limited. This is prior to the election he won overwhelmingly.

Revolution Francais.

And what we have here is the biography of McCrone that doesn't add up to one thing.

And in this comment, Sophie addresses how he might have been a philosopher,

how he apprenticed a philosopher, how he thought that way, how he

apprenticed a philosopher, how he thought that way, how he still does. Some insight to his unpredictable nature

as a leader of one of the strongest countries in the world.

France, here's Sophie Petter of the Economist magazine on Emmanuel Macron, the cipher.

Well, he's a philosopher, very well-known French philosopher, and he was a teacher at

Nante during the 1968 student uprising and he became a sort of, it might be overstating to say mentor but from Emmanuel Macron managed to become a research assistant to him.

And this I think was absolutely crucial to his understanding of philosophy to his

ambitions to, you know, perhaps make a career in that field.

It's difficult now to imagine that you might have ended up with a philosopher rather than as a politician.

But it was this relationship was again Macron's entire life I think has been influenced by certain figures often a lot

older than him and they have acted almost as sort of surrogate fathers to him I think and his relationship with

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