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Speaking with Patrick Tucker of Defense One, a long conversation about drones,

drones used by Hamas, drones, and the history of how drones have grown over the last 20 years

to be part of the battlefield. And especially about the preparation that the IDF has done

over the last year. With drones in the Nagav, Patrick Tucker describes a seminar, a conference

that was held in the Nagav in September of 2022, and how the IDF is thinking about drones into

especially an urban environment, which is likely to be what is ahead in Gaza.

This isn't how they're going to do it, but it might be a piece of the larger story of how to

solve Hamas. With drones, drones to communicate, drones to identify, drones to analyze material.

The scented Patrick explain.

Take for a second everything that we're learning about the use of drones and warfare from

crane. 2014 Russians were using drones in sort of the way people used planes in World War One.

Find targets, report back and target positions, and then fires would hit the targets.

2021, we see Ukrainians do something similar to very effect and ramp up their own ability asymmetrically

to punch by their way and counter a much larger force. What we're seeing now, Hamas acting a little

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