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This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague Josh Rogan writes global opinions for the Washington Post about Chinese spying, penetrating

the telecoms, penetrating the defenses of the U.S. government, penetrating the FBI defenses,

penetrating the defenses around the FISA court, the counterintelligence operations,

criminal investigations. Chinese have gotten in all the systems.

There's very little that they haven't had access to.

The unknown is how long have they been inside the systems?

And when is Verizon and the other telecoms going to tell their customers?

Here's Josh to talk about the FISA court part of this.

How far in did they get to the FISA court and what is to be done? More of this tonight.

That's right. This is a new breach, a new threat, a new vulnerability that the U.S. government intelligence community had not anticipated.

That's what Marco Rubio said this weekend on Face the Nation. And what Senate

Intel Chairman Mark Warner told me was that this is the biggest breach, intelligence breach,

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